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Tuesday, 25 January 2011 10:05

By Marvin G. Cortner

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The process for allowing commercial airboat companies engaged in eco-tourism to use two publicly-owned boat docks and ramps – at Whaley's Landing on Lake Tohopekaliga and the other at Lake Marian – is moving forward following action by the Osceola County Commission Monday.

Commissioners authorized staff to continue developing a request for proposal whereby commercial airboat operators essentially would bid for use of the ramps and docks. The request will be issued Feb. 13 in anticipation of an ordinance set to go into effect June 1 restricting commercial use of public ramps and docks. Commercial fishing guides would be exempt from the ordinance.

Staff had recommended the commission consider five public facilities out of the 12 the county maintains: Partin Triangle Neighborhood Park and Whaley's Landing (both on Lake Tohopekaliga), Lake Cypress, Ralph V. Chisholm Regional Park (on East Lake Tohopekaliga) and Lake Marian. Commissioners rejected three of the sites due mainly to the potential noise impact on nearby residential areas or because the site's current use would be incompatible with a commercial airboat operation.

Staff also had recommended contracts be for five years but the commission wants one-year contracts. In addition, commissioners want reduced Sunday operating hours:  noon to 5 p.m. instead of 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Hours for Monday through Saturday would still be 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., as recommended by staff. Commissioners Monday did not set a limit on the number of airboat trips that could be launched on a given day.

For the first year, the county would not be expecting the commercial airboat operations to make any large investments in amenities at the two ramps, given that it would be a trial period. The county also would consider the number of noise or other complaints coming from the public about specific airboat operations during the first year before making any contract extensions.

The county in March and April will review and rank proposals, with contracts agreements finalized in April and May. Smaller operators could combine their efforts into one proposal and more than one contract could be approved for a given site.

Commissioners previously had considered two other options for dealing with the issue of commercial airboaters using public facilities for free:

• Require operating permits for commercial airboats carrying four or more people, with an application similar to a vehicle-for-hire business. This option would have allowed commercial airboaters to use any public boat ramp. This option was similar to the process the county now has in place.

• Prohibit all commercial uses of public boat ramps.

Commissioner Michael Harford said he is still concerned about the use of any public facilities by private enterprise.

“Do we want to get into this?” he asked. “The ramps and docks are for use of our residents – is it fair to them?”

Harford also said there is nothing other than cost stopping commercial airboat businesses from operating out of private facilities on any of the lakes in the county.

“We got to this point because small airboat operators were operating from out ramps without restrictions,” Harford said.

Commissioner Fred Hawkins Jr. wanted Chisholm Park removed from the list because he said this area is now heavily used by families for such things as reunions and that having an airboat operation there was not compatible. He also said St. Cloud residents likely would be complaining about the noise once such an operation started up if airboats went toward the city instead of to the north.

Chisholm Park, Hawkins said, is geared toward recreational use and that “there wouldn't be much interest in eco-tourism” on the lake anyway.

Responding to a suggestion from Commissioner Frank Attkisson that the county limit where airboats could go on the lake once they are launched, Hawkins said it is the state that controls navigable waters, not the county.

Commissioner John Quiñones supported moving forward with allowing commercial airboat operations on county property but in an organized, controlled manner.

“This is Florida – if fits into the eco-tourism mold,” he said.

Quiñones was critical of the current method of operations for small airboat businesses.

“Now, it's meet me (the operator) at the ramp and they (customers) exchange money; that is not an image we want to portray,” Quiñones said.  “There is a benefit to allowing some businesses to join forces and compete – this would be an alternative to the theme parks. Let's look at the experience it could present to tourists. If we don't do this, we'll expend resources on enforcing what we have now.”

County staff also said that because any revenue derived from the contracts would be plowed back into improvements at the public boat docks and ramps, the state would not require fees from the county for making money off state-owned property. Staff also said that any other costs imposed by the state would be passed along to the contract holders.

According to City Commissioner Jerry Gemskie, Kissimmee had considered having commercial operators bid to use public facilities at the downtown lakefront but dropped that plan after it was determined the city would have to pay the state approximately $42,000 for that use.

 

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+1 #3 Airboat 2013-06-20 02:22
Continued
2. Lots of dollars were spent and are still being spent on staff recommendations that seem to get nowhere. A 30 page guideline was also presented by staff for RFP qualifications which would take most vendors over a month to complete not to mention the cost of 5 to $10,000. Not mention the rules keep changing so no one knows what they are bidding on until the last minute and it could still be dropped completely. We know because the city of Kissimmee encouraged us to do all these things and after months of anguish we got Threw under the bus.
3. If you want to prohibit all commercial use then all should be the keyword. The County already allows a commercial Airboat Tour Company at South Port which is public. To discriminate against the airboats is like saying I am white and I can not use the public ramp.
 
 
+1 #2 Airboat 2013-06-20 02:22
Precedence has been set on operating out of county ramps by the South Ports example. County charges of a little over $2000 a month for Airboat Tours, Campground, Gift shops, Picnic areas, and boat ramp have been leased to a vendor.
Questions on statements by commission
1. Why were all the good locations denied and two of the remote locations at Lake Cypress and Overstreet not considered? Chisholm Park would be perfect for family reunion entertainment as 90% of airboat riders are families. Partin Triangle Park is also a great location which has very little boat traffic and boat noise would be small compared to barking dogs, park festivities, and road noise.
 
 
+1 #1 Airboat 2013-06-20 02:22
IN RESPONCE TO : "Harford also said there is nothing other than cost stopping commercial airboat businesses from operating out of private facilities on any of the lakes in the county." Tom and Jerrys Airboats spent over $15,000 and months of preperation in serveys and committee meetings. We had a contract to buy 2440 Cherokee Rd. St. Cloud provided we could operate our business. We spent money and time researching threw Hanson, Walter & Associates, Inc. any possiable way to buy and operate our own property. We made it past the Planning and Development only to get shot down by zoning. Sorry you were miss informed but it is not because of cost of property. We offered the city over $5000 a month plus infrastructer which would easly make payments on our own property if the political end of this venture would have allowed it.
 

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